Comments on: Honda recovery will take time http://www.forumula1.net/2007/f1/features/car-design-technology/honda-recovery-will-take-time/ Forumula1.net - The F1 (Formula One) News and Forum Site Wed, 08 Oct 2008 04:28:21 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: fondamyhonda_com http://www.forumula1.net/2007/f1/features/car-design-technology/honda-recovery-will-take-time/#comment-2809 fondamyhonda_com Wed, 16 Apr 2008 04:08:30 +0000 http://www.forumula1.net/2007/f1/features/car-design-technology/honda-recovery-will-take-time/#comment-2809 I agree it shows little signs of improvement. I expected more. I agree it shows little signs of improvement. I expected more.

]]> By: Mike Meiring http://www.forumula1.net/2007/f1/features/car-design-technology/honda-recovery-will-take-time/#comment-2591 Mike Meiring Mon, 17 Mar 2008 13:50:04 +0000 http://www.forumula1.net/2007/f1/features/car-design-technology/honda-recovery-will-take-time/#comment-2591 Ultimately to win, Nick Fry should also leave because of the need for a culture change in the team. So this is tough, but that is how things work. With Ross coming in it is half done anyway - so at least Nick has seen into this requirement. There is too much complacency and the team requires more discipline in dealing with basic activities such as pit stops. It currently looks like every error is excused. The team may be 'gifted', but it helps nought without a disciplined approach (which hopefully Ross will instill). Barrichello and Button should wake up too. I can't see Honda ever winning with the current attitude of these drivers. Its a pity that Alonso could not have a go at taking their car around the track. I am sure he would extract the best out of the car. I don't know why Ross Brawn is happy with a driver that seems to have regular trouble in getting his car around turn one at the start of a race. All Button really has to do is back-off and let the idiots in the bunch wipe themselves out in the first corner. For a mid-field contender, the race is long enough to recover - it is not won to the first corner. (For the leading cars this may be different story). Barrichello, by now, should know about the red light thingy that comes on for a while during safety car outings, and if he doesn't, perhaps someone in the team could warn him about it?! There are also technical solutions to the pitstop errors the team is making, but of course, I doubt they will be interested in knowing of these from an amateur tuner. Honda should make better use of their motor-cycle and American (IRL) engineers to extract more power out of the plant. I am sure the engine can be made to flow better and the fuel/ECU used should be subject to further testing to optimise timing and torque delivery. The car should get up to speed quicker before aerodynamics come into play. This is essential to match Ferrari and Mclaren motors. Anyways, if I were Honda Corporation, I would want to see much better results or put in the axe. Ultimately to win, Nick Fry should also leave because of the need for a culture change in the team. So this is tough, but that is how things work. With Ross coming in it is half done anyway - so at least Nick has seen into this requirement. There is too much complacency and the team requires more discipline in dealing with basic activities such as pit stops. It currently looks like every error is excused. The team may be ‘gifted’, but it helps nought without a disciplined approach (which hopefully Ross will instill). Barrichello and Button should wake up too. I can’t see Honda ever winning with the current attitude of these drivers. Its a pity that Alonso could not have a go at taking their car around the track. I am sure he would extract the best out of the car. I don’t know why Ross Brawn is happy with a driver that seems to have regular trouble in getting his car around turn one at the start of a race. All Button really has to do is back-off and let the idiots in the bunch wipe themselves out in the first corner. For a mid-field contender, the race is long enough to recover - it is not won to the first corner. (For the leading cars this may be different story).
Barrichello, by now, should know about the red light thingy that comes on for a while during safety car outings, and if he doesn’t, perhaps someone in the team could warn him about it?!
There are also technical solutions to the pitstop errors the team is making, but of course, I doubt they will be interested in knowing of these from an amateur tuner. Honda should make better use of their motor-cycle and American (IRL) engineers to extract more power out of the plant. I am sure the engine can be made to flow better and the fuel/ECU used should be subject to further testing to optimise timing and torque delivery. The car should get up to speed quicker before aerodynamics come into play. This is essential to match Ferrari and Mclaren motors. Anyways, if I were Honda Corporation, I would want to see much better results or put in the axe.

]]> By: Chris http://www.forumula1.net/2007/f1/features/car-design-technology/honda-recovery-will-take-time/#comment-2244 Chris Mon, 04 Feb 2008 19:47:13 +0000 http://www.forumula1.net/2007/f1/features/car-design-technology/honda-recovery-will-take-time/#comment-2244 Hi Kevin, Yes, worryingly I think your probably right. I'm amazed that Nakamoto has been kept in a job albeit in a subordinate role to Ross Brawn. I would love to know what Brawn makes of him. I think I am right to say that Nakamoto was also heavily involved in developing this year's RA108. If winter testing is anything to go by the car shows little signs of improvement. Nothing against the guy, I'm just not sure he's that competent. Hi Kevin,

Yes, worryingly I think your probably right.

I’m amazed that Nakamoto has been kept in a job albeit in a subordinate role to Ross Brawn.

I would love to know what Brawn makes of him.

I think I am right to say that Nakamoto was also heavily involved in developing this year’s RA108. If winter testing is anything to go by the car shows little signs of improvement.

Nothing against the guy, I’m just not sure he’s that competent.

]]> By: Kevin http://www.forumula1.net/2007/f1/features/car-design-technology/honda-recovery-will-take-time/#comment-2243 Kevin Mon, 04 Feb 2008 17:42:42 +0000 http://www.forumula1.net/2007/f1/features/car-design-technology/honda-recovery-will-take-time/#comment-2243 >>> Hang on a second, the technical director didn’t understand downforce? Doesn’t this seem slightly odd and/or scary? Welcome to the real world ;) Most businesses have people in them who don't understand their market and are only in their job because they talked BS and used the right buzz-words in their interview...I guess F1 is no different :( >>> Hang on a second, the technical director didn’t understand downforce? Doesn’t this seem slightly odd and/or scary?

Welcome to the real world ;) Most businesses have people in them who don’t understand their market and are only in their job because they talked BS and used the right buzz-words in their interview…I guess F1 is no different :(

]]> By: Chrish http://www.forumula1.net/2007/f1/features/car-design-technology/honda-recovery-will-take-time/#comment-2228 Chrish Thu, 31 Jan 2008 12:14:46 +0000 http://www.forumula1.net/2007/f1/features/car-design-technology/honda-recovery-will-take-time/#comment-2228 Quick update on this story regarding Nakamoto. Just been reading an article from <a href="http://www.sidepodcast.com" rel="nofollow">Sidepodcast.com</a> (see <a href="http://www.sidepodcast.com/2007/12/24/nuances-of-downforce/" rel="nofollow">HERE</a>) and was amused by the following: ********** Tucked away in that last article [of an F1 Racing magazine] are two sentences that are both incredibly enlightening, and at the same time, comedy gold. "The former senior technical director, Shuhei Nakamoto (now deputy MD technical reporting to Ross Brawn)… had no prior F1 experience." "Nakamoto admits he didn’t grasp the nuances of downforce…" Hang on a second, the technical director didn’t understand downforce? Doesn’t this seem slightly odd and/or scary? I don’t know the interview technique for positions of this level, perhaps they don’t ask about your aerodynamic knowledge, assuming that if you’re applying for the job, you might have a clue what was going on. I’m wondering what my chances are of blagging my way in to a top level job. It’s no wonder Honda struggled so badly last year, isn’t it? ********** And according to <I>Autosport.com</I>, Honda chief executive Nick Fry has compared Brawn's arrival to "the difference between being taught to parachute by a man reading a manual or by a veteran of 6,000 jumps". An implicit dig at Nakamoto's lack of experience? Quick update on this story regarding Nakamoto. Just been reading an article from Sidepodcast.com (see HERE) and was amused by the following:

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Tucked away in that last article [of an F1 Racing magazine] are two sentences that are both incredibly enlightening, and at the same time, comedy gold.

“The former senior technical director, Shuhei Nakamoto (now deputy MD technical reporting to Ross Brawn)… had no prior F1 experience.”

“Nakamoto admits he didn’t grasp the nuances of downforce…”

Hang on a second, the technical director didn’t understand downforce? Doesn’t this seem slightly odd and/or scary?

I don’t know the interview technique for positions of this level, perhaps they don’t ask about your aerodynamic knowledge, assuming that if you’re applying for the job, you might have a clue what was going on. I’m wondering what my chances are of blagging my way in to a top level job.

It’s no wonder Honda struggled so badly last year, isn’t it?
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And according to Autosport.com, Honda chief executive Nick Fry has compared Brawn’s arrival to “the difference between being taught to parachute by a man reading a manual or by a veteran of 6,000 jumps”.

An implicit dig at Nakamoto’s lack of experience?

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