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[Juliet P]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/formula_1/article6880955.ece

1. Jim Clark (Inglaterra): 2 títulos
2. Ayrton Senna (Brasil): 3 títulos
3. Michael Schumacher (Alemania): 7 títulos
4. Alain Prost (Francia): 4 títulos
5. Jackie Stewart (Inglaterra): 3 títulos
6. Juan Manuel Fangio (Argentina): 5 títulos
7. Stirling Moss (Inglaterra): ningún título
8. Fernando Alonso (España): 2 títulos
9. Nigel Mansell (Inglaterra): 1 título
10. Mika Hakkinen (Finlandia): 2 títulos
11. Alberto Ascari (Italia): 2 títulos
12. Graham Hill (Inglaterra): 2 títulos
13. Kimi Raikkonen (Finlandia): 1 título
14. Niki Lauda (Austria): 3 títulos
15. Nelson Piquet (Brasil): 3 títulos
16. Jenson Button (Inglaterra): 1 título
17. James Hunt (Inglaterra): 1 título
18. Jochen Rindt (Austria): 1 título
19. Gilles Villeneuve (Canadá): ningún título
20. Jack Brabham (Australia): 3 títulos
21. Lewis Hamilton (Inglaterra): 1 título
22. Emerson Fitipaldi (Brasil): 2 títulos
23. Alan Jones (Australia): 1 títulos
24. Keke Rosberg (Finlandia): 1 título
25. Jacques Villeneuve (Canadá): 1 título
26. Mike Hawthorn (Inglaterra): 1 título
27. Mario Andretti (EE.UU.): 1 título
28. Bruce McClaren (Nueva Zelanda)
29. John Surtees (Inglaterra): 1 título
30. Juan Pablo Montoya (Colombia)
31. Damon Hill (Inglaterra): 1 título
32. Denny Hulme (Nueva Zelanda): 1 título
33. David Coulthard (Inglaterra)
34. Didier Pironi (Francia)
35. Ronnie Peterson (Suecia)
36. Felipe Massa (Brasil)
37. Jody Scheckter (Sudáfrica) 1 título
38. Rubens Barrichello (Brasil)
39. Jackie Ickx (Bélgica)
40. Carlos Reutemann (Argentina)
41. Tony Brooks (Inglaterra)
42. Phil Hill (EE.UU.): 1 título
43. Giuseppe Farina (Italia): 1 título
44. Jo Siffert (Suiza)
45. Lorenzo Bandini (Italia)
46. Gerhard Berger (Austria)
47. Dan Gurney (EE.UU.)
48. Clay Regazzoni (Suiza)
49. Peter Collins (Inglaterra)
50. Michele Alboreto (Italia)

DISCUSS...

(PS. sorry it's in Spanish - I nicked the list from marca.es)

[Jabberwocky]

1. Jim Clark (Inglaterra): 2 títulos
2. Ayrton Senna (Brasil): 3 títulos
3. Michael Schumacher (Alemania): 7 títulos
6. Juan Manuel Fangio (Argentina): 5 títulos
Hmm interesting, I would of though these 4 would of been the top but maybe not in this order. 4+5 not so much

7. Stirling Moss (Inglaterra): ningún título
8. Fernando Alonso (España): 2 títulos
about right

16. Jenson Button (Inglaterra): 1 título
cashing in on the hype

21. Lewis Hamilton (Inglaterra): 1 título
no way he is a better driver than Button, no matter what I think about him personally

28. Bruce McClaren (Nueva Zelanda)
Never heard of him McLaren maybe.

29. John Surtees (Inglaterra): 1 título
I always thought he was better than Bruce


30. Juan Pablo Montoya (Colombia)
No way

31. Damon Hill (Inglaterra): 1 título
suppose

33. David Coulthard (Inglaterra)
36. Felipe Massa (Brasil)
38. Rubens Barrichello (Brasil)
I would rate Rubens above DC

[EwanM]

They always have these lists. I personally don't put f1 drivers in order. As I explained to McLaren Fan last night...

[scotty]

Michele Alboreto?

[Gaz]

that list is random.

Lewis Hamilton 22 Kimi 13th?

Jenson 16th

Mika is too low also Alonso 8th?

Yeh don't agree with that.

[Denthúl]

that list is random.

Lewis Hamilton 22 Kimi 13th?

Jenson 16th

Mika is too low also Alonso 8th?

Yeh don't agree with that.

Mhm.

I mean, I agree with Kimi being ahead of Lewis, but their positions in the list wouldn't be like that if I wrote it. These lists are usually the opinion of only one person and, thus, largely pointless for publishing.

[racechick]

Jenson Button 16th!!! What idiot wrote this list?

[Gaz]

that list is random.

Lewis Hamilton 22 Kimi 13th?

Jenson 16th

Mika is too low also Alonso 8th?

Yeh don't agree with that.

Mhm.

I mean, I agree with Kimi being ahead of Lewis, but their positions in the list wouldn't be like that if I wrote it. These lists are usually the opinion of only one person and, thus, largely pointless for publishing.

To be fair Kimi and Lewis have been in pretty equal cars this season and Lewis is ahead. - only just tho

Don't think Jenson's better than LH tho.

[racechick]

that list is random.

Lewis Hamilton 22 Kimi 13th?

Jenson 16th

Mika is too low also Alonso 8th?

Yeh don't agree with that.

Mhm.

I mean, I agree with Kimi being ahead of Lewis, but their positions in the list wouldn't be like that if I wrote it. These lists are usually the opinion of only one person and, thus, largely pointless for publishing.

To be fair Kimi and Lewis have been in pretty equal cars this season and Lewis is ahead. - only just tho

Don't think Jenson's better than LH tho.

Not by a long way!!

[Denthúl]

that list is random.

Lewis Hamilton 22 Kimi 13th?

Jenson 16th

Mika is too low also Alonso 8th?

Yeh don't agree with that.

Mhm.

I mean, I agree with Kimi being ahead of Lewis, but their positions in the list wouldn't be like that if I wrote it. These lists are usually the opinion of only one person and, thus, largely pointless for publishing.

To be fair Kimi and Lewis have been in pretty equal cars this season and Lewis is ahead. - only just tho

Don't think Jenson's better than LH tho.

You'd base your list on one year's performance? You have to remember that McLaren have been developing their car nearly every race. Ferrari stopped development pretty much mid-season and Raikkonen won a race after that. Looking at it from a wider angle, I would place Raikkonen ahead because of what he achieved. He got in to Formula One after something like twenty career car races in total and was instantly fast. He is most likely the outright fastest driver in F1, although he isn't the best. I'd probably put him a place ahead of Lewis.

[Frosty]

I don't agree with quite a bit of that list.

[racechick]

that list is random.

Lewis Hamilton 22 Kimi 13th?

Jenson 16th

Mika is too low also Alonso 8th?

Yeh don't agree with that.

Mhm.

I mean, I agree with Kimi being ahead of Lewis, but their positions in the list wouldn't be like that if I wrote it. These lists are usually the opinion of only one person and, thus, largely pointless for publishing.

To be fair Kimi and Lewis have been in pretty equal cars this season and Lewis is ahead. - only just tho

Don't think Jenson's better than LH tho.

You'd base your list on one year's performance? You have to remember that McLaren have been developing their car nearly every race. Ferrari stopped development pretty much mid-season and Raikkonen won a race after that. Looking at it from a wider angle, I would place Raikkonen ahead because of what he achieved. He got in to Formula One after something like twenty career car races in total and was instantly fast. He is most likely the outright fastest driver in F1, although he isn't the best. I'd probably put him a place ahead of Lewis.

You have a good arguement, Kimi has been around longer and has generally performed well. Lewis has always performed well in a bad and good car but needs longer to see if this trend continues(I think it will of course ) They are very close and it will be great if we get to see them race in the same car.
You mention not basing the list on one year. I think the guy writing the list might have done that when he put Button 16th!

[Frosty]

I would rank JB to levels similar to DC

[racechick]

I would rank JB to levels similar to DC

Me too, with Damon Hill higher.

[Gilles 27]

The Times is wrong on just about everything in it's opinion pages. That list is completely mental to such a degree that it's not even worth pointing out the glaring oddities. There are more bizarre placings than there are understandable ones!