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#166707
Evolution rather than Revolution McLaren's been the best car of the 2nd half of 09 its not illogical to suggest that they can build on this success and become the best team of 2010.
#166709
But when i toured McLaren they were pretty stoked with the 25 the engineers rekn they are on a winner.

All talk bud. ;):P
#166732
I remember McLaren being quite confident over this year's car. Yes, that was corporate speak, but I wouldn't count your chickens.
I bet there are some mechanics in Ferrari, Brawn, Red Bull etc etc saying and thinking the exact same thing for next season.
#166741
I never say which cars will be fastest until i've seen them but one thing I'm pretty sure of is that McLaren and Ferrari will be more competitive at the start of the 2010 season compared to the start of this season.
#166821
So you like seeing McLaren spend-spend-spend their way out of trouble, or at least you sound like it... well it's time for the overspending to stop and for the odds to be evened thanks to the budget cap.

Williams "stayed where they were" thanks to Nico's balls dropping constantly, the incompetence of Crashajima and a Toyota engine so weak the FW31 would probably get eaten up in a straight line by a Life W12 of all cars!

All I can say to you, McLaren Fan is wait until you see the FW32 with two REAL drivers - Barrichello being the best in car development and setup, something Nico and Nakajima were weakest at especially - and a more powerful engine (the Cosworth 2006 engine is still more powerful than the current Toyota engine!!!). If McLaren are going to spend their way past Williams, so be it, but when the budget cap fully kicks in who's going to be laughing? Not McLaren.

Take a chill pill. You'd think Frank Williams was your grandfather from your reactions to justified criticisms of the team on this forum.

You say McLaren spend their way out of trouble, but that is far from the case. McLaren have strategically invested their money over the years to have the best facilities in the sport and a competent members of staff. And, for what it's worth, the testing ban has made it more difficult for teams such as McLaren to fling money at a car and make it go fast - something with which Williams agree.

The truth of the matter is Williams and its disciples are just bitter. As soon as Dennis became involved with McLaren, he made all the right calls, recognising the changes in Formula One, bringing in outside investment into the team and expanding the team's sphere of business. Because of Dennis' passion and foresight, McLaren are more than just a Formula One team, but a Group which compromises of several different and successful businesses, and is still in charge of its own destiny.

Williams, however, made all the wrong calls, arrogantly insisting on their petty 1950s ideology of remaining wholly independent. And, moreover, Williams' position stinks to the heavens of hypocrisy. Up until the '90s, when things were going well for Williams, they certainly didn't mind spending their way out of trouble. How big was Senna's salary? How much did they spend on the FW16 to make it competitive? Not small change from my recollection... So, like the jealous socialist, Williams, proven short-sighted, only now are complaining about cash. And, also worthy of censure, they have become the FIA's bitches. The disappointing thing about Rosberg's departure is that Williams won't be able to use the grease of Rosberg's face to ready themselves for the FIA's coming.
#166838
So you like seeing McLaren spend-spend-spend their way out of trouble, or at least you sound like it... well it's time for the overspending to stop and for the odds to be evened thanks to the budget cap.

Williams "stayed where they were" thanks to Nico's balls dropping constantly, the incompetence of Crashajima and a Toyota engine so weak the FW31 would probably get eaten up in a straight line by a Life W12 of all cars!

All I can say to you, McLaren Fan is wait until you see the FW32 with two REAL drivers - Barrichello being the best in car development and setup, something Nico and Nakajima were weakest at especially - and a more powerful engine (the Cosworth 2006 engine is still more powerful than the current Toyota engine!!!). If McLaren are going to spend their way past Williams, so be it, but when the budget cap fully kicks in who's going to be laughing? Not McLaren.

Take a chill pill. You'd think Frank Williams was your grandfather from your reactions to justified criticisms of the team on this forum.

You say McLaren spend their way out of trouble, but that is far from the case. McLaren have strategically invested their money over the years to have the best facilities in the sport and a competent members of staff. And, for what it's worth, the testing ban has made it more difficult for teams such as McLaren to fling money at a car and make it go fast - something with which Williams agree.

The truth of the matter is Williams and its disciples are just bitter. As soon as Dennis became involved with McLaren, he made all the right calls, recognising the changes in Formula One, bringing in outside investment into the team and expanding the team's sphere of business. Because of Dennis' passion and foresight, McLaren are more than just a Formula One team, but a Group which compromises of several different and successful businesses, and is still in charge of its own destiny.

Williams, however, made all the wrong calls, arrogantly insisting on their petty 1950s ideology of remaining wholly independent. And, moreover, Williams' position stinks to the heavens of hypocrisy. Up until the '90s, when things were going well for Williams, they certainly didn't mind spending their way out of trouble. How big was Senna's salary? How much did they spend on the FW16 to make it competitive? Not small change from my recollection... So, like the jealous socialist, Williams, proven short-sighted, only now are complaining about cash. And, also worthy of censure, they have become the FIA's bitches. The disappointing thing about Rosberg's departure is that Williams won't be able to use the grease of Rosberg's face to ready themselves for the FIA's coming.

Well that's the kind of pompous, overbearing, big-headed response I expected from you. :yawn::rolleyes:
#166840
Behave boys!

Mclarenfan is pompous and 7up is Williams-obsessed. These are facts - no need to dwell on them.
#166842
So you like seeing McLaren spend-spend-spend their way out of trouble, or at least you sound like it... well it's time for the overspending to stop and for the odds to be evened thanks to the budget cap.

Williams "stayed where they were" thanks to Nico's balls dropping constantly, the incompetence of Crashajima and a Toyota engine so weak the FW31 would probably get eaten up in a straight line by a Life W12 of all cars!

All I can say to you, McLaren Fan is wait until you see the FW32 with two REAL drivers - Barrichello being the best in car development and setup, something Nico and Nakajima were weakest at especially - and a more powerful engine (the Cosworth 2006 engine is still more powerful than the current Toyota engine!!!). If McLaren are going to spend their way past Williams, so be it, but when the budget cap fully kicks in who's going to be laughing? Not McLaren.

Take a chill pill. You'd think Frank Williams was your grandfather from your reactions to justified criticisms of the team on this forum.

You say McLaren spend their way out of trouble, but that is far from the case. McLaren have strategically invested their money over the years to have the best facilities in the sport and a competent members of staff. And, for what it's worth, the testing ban has made it more difficult for teams such as McLaren to fling money at a car and make it go fast - something with which Williams agree.

The truth of the matter is Williams and its disciples are just bitter. As soon as Dennis became involved with McLaren, he made all the right calls, recognising the changes in Formula One, bringing in outside investment into the team and expanding the team's sphere of business. Because of Dennis' passion and foresight, McLaren are more than just a Formula One team, but a Group which compromises of several different and successful businesses, and is still in charge of its own destiny.

Williams, however, made all the wrong calls, arrogantly insisting on their petty 1950s ideology of remaining wholly independent. And, moreover, Williams' position stinks to the heavens of hypocrisy. Up until the '90s, when things were going well for Williams, they certainly didn't mind spending their way out of trouble. How big was Senna's salary? How much did they spend on the FW16 to make it competitive? Not small change from my recollection... So, like the jealous socialist, Williams, proven short-sighted, only now are complaining about cash. And, also worthy of censure, they have become the FIA's bitches. The disappointing thing about Rosberg's departure is that Williams won't be able to use the grease of Rosberg's face to ready themselves for the FIA's coming.

Well that's the kind of pompous, overbearing, big-headed response I expected from you. :yawn::rolleyes:

Well, come on: defend your team from the charges. Have Williams been short-sighted or not? Are Williams not being hypocritical?
#166851
So you like seeing McLaren spend-spend-spend their way out of trouble, or at least you sound like it... well it's time for the overspending to stop and for the odds to be evened thanks to the budget cap.

Williams "stayed where they were" thanks to Nico's balls dropping constantly, the incompetence of Crashajima and a Toyota engine so weak the FW31 would probably get eaten up in a straight line by a Life W12 of all cars!

All I can say to you, McLaren Fan is wait until you see the FW32 with two REAL drivers - Barrichello being the best in car development and setup, something Nico and Nakajima were weakest at especially - and a more powerful engine (the Cosworth 2006 engine is still more powerful than the current Toyota engine!!!). If McLaren are going to spend their way past Williams, so be it, but when the budget cap fully kicks in who's going to be laughing? Not McLaren.

Take a chill pill. You'd think Frank Williams was your grandfather from your reactions to justified criticisms of the team on this forum.

You say McLaren spend their way out of trouble, but that is far from the case. McLaren have strategically invested their money over the years to have the best facilities in the sport and a competent members of staff. And, for what it's worth, the testing ban has made it more difficult for teams such as McLaren to fling money at a car and make it go fast - something with which Williams agree.

The truth of the matter is Williams and its disciples are just bitter. As soon as Dennis became involved with McLaren, he made all the right calls, recognising the changes in Formula One, bringing in outside investment into the team and expanding the team's sphere of business. Because of Dennis' passion and foresight, McLaren are more than just a Formula One team, but a Group which compromises of several different and successful businesses, and is still in charge of its own destiny.

Williams, however, made all the wrong calls, arrogantly insisting on their petty 1950s ideology of remaining wholly independent. And, moreover, Williams' position stinks to the heavens of hypocrisy. Up until the '90s, when things were going well for Williams, they certainly didn't mind spending their way out of trouble. How big was Senna's salary? How much did they spend on the FW16 to make it competitive? Not small change from my recollection... So, like the jealous socialist, Williams, proven short-sighted, only now are complaining about cash. And, also worthy of censure, they have become the FIA's bitches. The disappointing thing about Rosberg's departure is that Williams won't be able to use the grease of Rosberg's face to ready themselves for the FIA's coming.

Well that's the kind of pompous, overbearing, big-headed response I expected from you. :yawn::rolleyes:

Well, come on: defend your team from the charges. Have Williams been short-sighted or not? Are Williams not being hypocritical?

Charges now! Have you suddenly appointed yourself a Judge? Your "charges" don't deserve an answer, so I'll leave it at that.
#166852
Seems like a bit of a cop out to me. But anyway. Back on topic.
#166882
Seems like a bit of a cop out to me.

Yeah well at least I'm stopping this thread get locked in the process.

Back on topic, Barrichello - Nico's replacement - believes the team are on the up.

Barrichello: Williams on the way up

By Jonathan Noble Friday, October 30th 2009, 10:18 GMT


Rubens Barrichello thinks Williams is a team 'on the up', ahead of his expected switch to the Grove-based outfit next season.

Williams is set to announce on Monday that Barrichello will partner Nico Hulkenberg at the Cosworth-powered team in 2010, as the outfit opts for an all new driver line-up.

And although Barrichello has drawn short of confirming that he will be heading to Williams next year, he has openly spoken in praise of the outfit - after stating that his mind was now made up about his future plans.

"Williams has always been a team that anyone would have a look at," said Barrichello in Abu Dhabi. "That is no different right now.

"Everyone would look at a position at Williams, because it is one of the best teams out there – and they are on the way up. So I am definitely looking at that."

Barrichello said that he wanted to wait until after the season had finished before announcing his future plans, but he was hopeful that the car he will get his hands on in 2010 will allow him the chance to keep fighting for wins.

His comments come despite outgoing Williams driver Nico Rosberg saying that he had decided to leave the team because he felt it could not provide him with a winning car in 2010.

Barrichello said: "I want to win. I have a lot of passion for the speed. I have a lot of passion for the overtaking, and for the things that pump me up – the challenge of winning. That is what I want.

"The three years I had at Honda were very, very difficult, but you motivate yourself and you go for it. I am very hopeful of having a very competitive car next year, so that is what I want from myself. I want to go on and keep on winning."

He added: "I'm waiting for the season to end and just to come out and tell you everything I have to say. Right now, I'm not waiting for Jenson to do this, or some others to do that. My mind is pretty well fixed, but it is not the right time to talk about that right now."

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